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	<description>Carl Wilson on music, arts and culture</description>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was actually there, and I agree about the whole "dubstep Burial thing". Twas good to see. I believe everyone who got what they did deserved to ttytt. :-p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was actually there, and I agree about the whole &#8220;dubstep Burial thing&#8221;. Twas good to see. I believe everyone who got what they did deserved to ttytt. :-p</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article.  I was looking forward to the release of the shortlist only to be disappointed by the lack of newcomers (I personally single out Timber Timbre).  

It seems that judges/voters/whoever are still stuck on old favorites.  I think we have a bit too much of a tendency in Canada to find what we like and stick with it, instead of exploring the new.  I'm really happy that the Tragically Hip are not on the list though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article.  I was looking forward to the release of the shortlist only to be disappointed by the lack of newcomers (I personally single out Timber Timbre).  </p>
<p>It seems that judges/voters/whoever are still stuck on old favorites.  I think we have a bit too much of a tendency in Canada to find what we like and stick with it, instead of exploring the new.  I&#8217;m really happy that the Tragically Hip are not on the list though.</p>
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		<title>By: Garnet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garnet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is the Malajube album loved in Quebec? What I've heard about it doesn't square with its presence on the list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the Malajube album loved in Quebec? What I&#8217;ve heard about it doesn&#8217;t square with its presence on the list.</p>
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		<title>By: SK</title>
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		<dc:creator>SK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a fan of dubstep, the whole Burial thing was brilliant, even if they exposed him more than he would have liked. But back on topic...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a fan of dubstep, the whole Burial thing was brilliant, even if they exposed him more than he would have liked. But back on topic&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Calum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mercury also had shortlist nominees like Burial, who would never make a Polaris cut were he Canadian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mercury also had shortlist nominees like Burial, who would never make a Polaris cut were he Canadian.</p>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>didn't Dizzee Rascal win the Mercury? I think they do plenty fine getting a range of acts in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>didn&#8217;t Dizzee Rascal win the Mercury? I think they do plenty fine getting a range of acts in.</p>
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		<title>By: JD Considine</title>
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		<dc:creator>JD Considine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 02:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have to agree with Calum on this point: "When you ask upwards of 150 music industry professionals, many of whom work for major mainstream outlets such as Much Music or the CBC, to vote in such a manner, you’re very likely to end up with just these sort of middle-of-the-road, accessible indie rock and folk acts." That's the trouble with consensus -- it's seldom very edgy.

It might be possible to broaden things a bit by recruiting more metal writers, or black music specialists, or jazzbos, or whatever, but given the overall numbers I kinda doubt such affirmative action will ultimately make a difference. Truth is, an awful lot of people who write about (or program, or promote) music are essentially specialists, with one area they know well and appreciate deeply, and many areas they don't know and couldn't care less about. The Polaris consensus simply reflects that reality.

But hey -- it's a better consensus than the Junos, right? And would the equivalent of a Fucked Up or Malajube have made the Mercury short list? That the Polaris system is imperfect may be a given, but it's an improvement over the competition nonetheless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have to agree with Calum on this point: &#8220;When you ask upwards of 150 music industry professionals, many of whom work for major mainstream outlets such as Much Music or the CBC, to vote in such a manner, you’re very likely to end up with just these sort of middle-of-the-road, accessible indie rock and folk acts.&#8221; That&#8217;s the trouble with consensus &#8212; it&#8217;s seldom very edgy.</p>
<p>It might be possible to broaden things a bit by recruiting more metal writers, or black music specialists, or jazzbos, or whatever, but given the overall numbers I kinda doubt such affirmative action will ultimately make a difference. Truth is, an awful lot of people who write about (or program, or promote) music are essentially specialists, with one area they know well and appreciate deeply, and many areas they don&#8217;t know and couldn&#8217;t care less about. The Polaris consensus simply reflects that reality.</p>
<p>But hey &#8212; it&#8217;s a better consensus than the Junos, right? And would the equivalent of a Fucked Up or Malajube have made the Mercury short list? That the Polaris system is imperfect may be a given, but it&#8217;s an improvement over the competition nonetheless.</p>
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		<title>By: david b</title>
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		<dc:creator>david b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...whoever "they" are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;whoever &#8220;they&#8221; are.</p>
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		<title>By: david b</title>
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		<dc:creator>david b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>after Final Fantasy won, it seemed like the goal of the prize was to push the boundaries of taste (to borrow a phrase) but it has since become clear that they simply want to harness taste and ride it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>after Final Fantasy won, it seemed like the goal of the prize was to push the boundaries of taste (to borrow a phrase) but it has since become clear that they simply want to harness taste and ride it.</p>
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		<title>By: Calum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not convinced that repetitious nominations are the biggest problem with the Polaris Prize, given that a twice-nominated artist such as, say, Metric probably didn't deserve to be shortlisted for the prize in either case, let alone both.

It seems to me that the idea informing the prize (that the best album, based on "artistic merit", should win) is directly at odds with the popularity and widespread appeal necessary to have the award and its financial prize possible in the first place. When you ask upwards of 150 music industry professionals, many of whom work for major mainstream outlets such as Much Music or the CBC, to vote in such a manner, you're very likely to end up with just these sort of middle-of-the-road, accessible indie rock and folk acts. So what's the solution? Cull the most discerning and credible critics from the list and risk alienating broader audiences? My favorite long-list nominee was Tim Hecker, but I was never deluded enough to believe he'd make the next round--there are simply too few people, even those working in the industry, interested in ambient noise music to vote that way. Such is the nature of an award with such a broad scope; anything difficult, obscure, or diverse will fail to make the cut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not convinced that repetitious nominations are the biggest problem with the Polaris Prize, given that a twice-nominated artist such as, say, Metric probably didn&#8217;t deserve to be shortlisted for the prize in either case, let alone both.</p>
<p>It seems to me that the idea informing the prize (that the best album, based on &#8220;artistic merit&#8221;, should win) is directly at odds with the popularity and widespread appeal necessary to have the award and its financial prize possible in the first place. When you ask upwards of 150 music industry professionals, many of whom work for major mainstream outlets such as Much Music or the CBC, to vote in such a manner, you&#8217;re very likely to end up with just these sort of middle-of-the-road, accessible indie rock and folk acts. So what&#8217;s the solution? Cull the most discerning and credible critics from the list and risk alienating broader audiences? My favorite long-list nominee was Tim Hecker, but I was never deluded enough to believe he&#8217;d make the next round&#8211;there are simply too few people, even those working in the industry, interested in ambient noise music to vote that way. Such is the nature of an award with such a broad scope; anything difficult, obscure, or diverse will fail to make the cut.</p>
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