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Notes on Taste:
This Year's Winner for 'Most Withering Venn Diagram'


Someone sent me a link to this t-shirt design on Diesel Sweeties. I laughed in spite of myself.

General | Posted by zoilus on Monday, June 25 at 1:48 PM | Linking Posts | Comments (6)



My understanding of the maths is vague and impressionistic, and so this diagram makes sense to me.

Posted by marco on June 26, 2007 11:02 AM



Heh, john. Nice one.

Posted by Chris M on June 26, 2007 10:24 AM



If the diagram isn't supposed to be read mathematically, then what, it's just some nice shapes and colors? Not overlapping, just, coincidentally adjacent?

It's still funny, even if it's mathematically wrong.

Now I want to see a T-shirt just like it, except it says:

"Math I like." "Math you like." "Math I used to like."

Posted by john on June 25, 2007 8:56 PM



Ha, you're right, Misha, the diagram actually fails to Venn it up right. I didn't stop to think about that. Though the point still gets across - which I thought was more that as soon as you like something, it *becomes* music I used to like. So it's a bit more as if the red circle is invading the blue circle's territory and thereby killing off everything in the purple circle... Maybe if the main circles were just "my music" and "your music" that would be closer.

Eh. Logic and jokes. They don't coexist so easily. Diagram that!

Posted by zoilus on June 25, 2007 4:04 PM



Glad you like it! A tiny bit less glad that about 1% of people don't get that the diagram isn't meant to be read mathematically, but still glad.

Posted by rstevens on June 25, 2007 4:00 PM



Um... Okay. I'm trying not to be too geeky about this. But... I don't think this diagram makes sense.

If the intersection of "music I like" and Music you like" is "music I used to like", then "music I used to like" is a subset of "music I like".

This makes no sense to me, since I think the only reasonable interpretation of "music I used to like" is "music I once liked, but don't like anymore." But it can't be the case that "music I don't like anymore" is a subset of "music I (currently) like. The only way that can be the case is if "Music I used to like" is a null set, which I don't think is the intended message of the Tshirt.

(you may want to claim that the set in the middle isn't supposed to be the intersection of the two sets on the sides. but (a) that's how venn diagrams conventionally work, and (b) That's what the colors suggest and (c) If it isn't the intersection of the two, then what the hell is the diagram saying?)

I guess it might make more sense (though it would look worse on a TShirt) if the leftmost set was named "All music I have ever liked". Then the message would be: You and I have no musical interests in common, except for the fact that you like some things that I used to like. (Actually, as the diagram is drawn, it actually says - you like *everything* I that I used to like, which I guess is meaner...)

So much for trying not to be too geeky about this. Have a nice day.

Posted by Misha on June 25, 2007 3:40 PM




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